Showing posts with label Pure Proportional. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Pure Proportional. Show all posts

Thursday, 29 August 2013

A question of preference

In response Crikey Pollbludger Preferential voting discussion

You read way too much into the so called preference deals. Preferences are not a reflection of policy or allegiance. Its a bit like reading a horoscope or Green tea leaves.

Preferences come into their element mainly as a result of the above-the-line ticket voting system. ATL voting is the only way the Greens can direct their preferences.

What is evident is that the minor parties realise where the wealth of vote mining is. All minor parties have preferenced each other locking out the main players Labor, LNP and the Greens. The Greens are no longer seen as a member of the minor party grouping.

Optional Preferential Voting (OPV)

In Victoria Western metro OPV delivered a seat to the Greens. A large number of Family First, DLP and Christian Alliance voters preferenced each pother to make up the minimum five preferences, which was heavily promoted by the Victorian Electoral Commission. What they did not know was that by not continuing on their preferences they inadvertently elected the Greens to the last seat in Western metro ahead of the Labor Party. Had they preferenced Labor’s third candidate Bob smith would have been elected. The Greens were elected by default having slightly more votes then the ALP surplus after preferences.

Segmented distribution

What is of more concern is the method of distribution of preferences from candidates excluded in the count. The method of segmentation, skipping candidates and the dealing from the bottom of the deck.

The issue of segmentation distribution cost the greens a Senate seat in Queensland in 2007
When a candidate is excluded from the count their vote should be distributed as if the excluded candidate had not stood.
If a vote has a preference for a continuing candidate then it should be allocated to that candidate and if need be form part of that candidates surplus before being redistributed to other candidates. IE if I vote for the DLP and then preference Labors number 1 or 2 than my vote should form part of my chosen candidates surplus and distributed accordingly.

This can best be achieved by implementing a reiterative count where the ballot is reset and restarted on every exclusion and only weighted surplus distributed on every iteration. One iteration per excluded candidate until all positions are filled.

In the past under a manual system a reiterative count would have been prohibitive. With the use of computer counting system this is not longer an issue of concern.

Had we had a reiterative counting system in Queensland in 2007 The Greens would have been elected to the Senate in the final position. It needs to be said that a reiterative voting system does not favor any one party over another, It just that in 2007 The Greens lost a seat as a result of the method and order of distribution.

This can be tested by recounting the 2007 QLD Senate excluding all candidates except the last seven standing (3 ALP, 2LNO and 1 Grn)and distributing all votes according to the first available allocated preference.

A reiterative counting system also allows for an adjusted floating quota should optional preferential voting be adopted.

There are other issues in the way Senate preferences are counted such as the non-weighted surplus transfer value the dropping off of remainders etc. that also need to be address

One issue that needs more discussion is the Droop Quota.

Why divide the cake by seven and throw away or lock up a slice when we could divide the cake by six.

As it stands the party that forms the wasted quota has no say in who should represent them. Under a multi member proportional representation system there is not overriding justification that merits the continued practice and use of the Droop quota.

I definitely do not think OPV should be allowed in the above-the-line Group Ticketing system

I can see no reason why Voters should not allowed to preferential vote above the line other than the time and resources required to count the vote.

Our preferential system is the strength of our voting system. It is what puts us ahead of the pack. It avoids the need for a run-off ballot as is the case in various European presidential systems.

Fix it  or scape it.

From my point of view if we can not fix these flaws in the way the system operates and the vote is counted then we might as well adopt a party list system as suggested by William Bowie. But my preference is to fix the system and continue to support preferential voting.

Tuesday, 20 August 2013

Question to Antony Green on Droop Quota used in the Senate Count

Why is the quota for the Senate calculated by dividing the total number of votes by seven and not six.

 This unfairly denies up to 14% of the voters in having a say who represents them as their vote is discarded.

In last years City of Melbourne Municipal election Robert Doyles Team had 38% of the vote and elected 3 positions on the Council. the remaining 8% was not counted. The Greens with just 14% elected two positions. Had the cake been divided by 9 as opposed to 10 and a slice thrown away the Team Doyle surplus would have elected a community based candidate instead of the Greens second candidate Rohan Leppert.

http://melbcity.net.au/2013/02/team-doyle-disenfranchised-droop-vs-pure-proportional-voting/

The use of the Droop quota distorts the proportional of the count.

Tuesday, 12 February 2013

Droop distortion vs Pure Proportional Representation

Why do we continue to use the "Droop quota" and in the process disenfranchise a significant percentage of voters?

In the past the adoption of the Droop quota allowed us to reach a conclusion in the count without having to distribute preferences to the Nth degree and count every vote.  However with the use of computer based technology this justification no longer applies.

Droop = x/(y+1)-1
Pure Proportional = x/y


By calculating the quota to be "x(/y+1)-1", as defined by Droop, we are ignoring up to a quota of  voters which results in a large percentage of votes being locked up in what is referred to as the "wasted quota".

The effect of the Droop quota can be  seen by clearly by analyzing the 2012 City of Melbourne Council vote.  In this case Team Doyle received around 38% of the vote and elected 3 positions yet 8% of voters (It's surplus) was ignored.  If the system was a pure proportional count the quota would have been 11.11% instead of 10% and the outcome of the election would have been more representative.

Under the Droop quota the Greens managed to elect 2 positions with just 14% of the primary vote and community candidate Kevin Chamberlin on 6% miss out being elected. If the count was pure proportional without the distortion of the Droop quota Kevin Chamberlin would have been elected with the support of Team Doyle’s surplus preferences.

Why should Team Doyle’s voters be disenfranchised and ignored by being lockup in the discarded quota, why should not the system be fully proportional and each vote of equal value.  The current system using the Droop Quota at best can only be described as semi proportional.

The system using the Droop quota becomes even more distorted under the Victorian Local Government count-back rules as the vote that has been left on the table is not taken into account when calculating who or which candidate fills the casual vacancy.

The Victorian State Parliament Electoral Matters Committee to date has not scheduled a review of the Local Government elections, it is unclear if they will even though it is within their terms of references and they have an obligation to do so.

Will the Melbourne City Council take up this issue?    Most likely not.  The Greens benefited from the distortion in the proportionality of the count so they will not see any benefit in reform.  The only team that did not was Team Doyle and Kevin Chamberlin. But the principle is clear if you believe in proportional representation then all votes should carry equal weight x/y is the purest means of calculating a quota not x/(y+1)-1

2012 City of Melbourne Primary Preference count (9 Councillors to be elected)







QUOTA
1st Preferences

Group Droop x/y
1

% 10.00% 11.11%





FOSTER, Richard 3805 5.98%
D'CRUZ, Emily Lee 63 0.10%



RUBBO, Mark Dattilo 72 0.11%



SYME, Wendy 5 0.01%



EDWARDS, Jason 8 0.01%



3953 6.21% 0.62 0.56
MAYNE, Stephen 3808 5.98%



ANDERSON, Michele 20 0.03%



3828 6.01% 0.60 0.54
DOWNING, Luke S. 1895 2.98%



CRAGG, David 34 0.05%



1929 3.03% 0.30 0.27
CHAMBERLIN, Kevin 3607 5.67%



DUTTA, Roshena 58 0.09%



PARISI, Nick 8 0.01%



MACDONALD, Alex 13 0.02%



3686 5.79% 0.58 0.52
RAHAMAN, Azeezur 678 1.06%



FISCHL, Leesa 589 0.93%



1267 1.99% 0.20 0.18
ANDERSON, Gerard 522 0.82%



NORRIS, Maree 6 0.01%



528 0.83% 0.08 0.07
OKE, Cathy 9886 15.53%



LEPPERT, Rohan 14 0.02%



RHODES, Lachlan 8 0.01%



PODESTA, Jennifer 13 0.02%



THIEL, Philip 21 0.03%



9942 15.62% 1.56 1.41
LOUEY, Kevin 23759 37.32%



WOOD, Arron 29 0.05%



PINDER-MORTIMER, Beverley 11 0.02%



JETTER, Carl 12 0.02%



SHEN, Harvard 16 0.03%



SWEETMAN, Fiona 10 0.02%



WEI, Hope 27 0.04%



23864 37.48% 3.75 3.37
WATTS, Jackie 6073 9.54%



KENNEDY, Michael 16 0.03%



KINSELLA, Marie 9 0.01%



O'BRIEN, Sue 16 0.03%



6114 9.60% 0.96 0.86
ONG, Ken 8263 12.98%



PAGANO, Carlo 7 0.01%



HEWITT, Sally 17 0.03%



SMITH, Leona 17 0.03%



8304 13.04% 1.30 1.17
VISA, Moti 123 0.19% 123 0.19% 0.02 0.02
LOH, David 11 0.02% 11 0.02% 0.00 0.00
van der CRAATS, Anthony 115 0.18% 115 0.18% 0.02 0.02
TOTAL 63664 100.00% 63664 100.00% 10.00 9.00
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